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forget which sound bite said it, but come is that this will not add one crept to the deficit -- one cent to the deficit, but money for first time in history that more people are taking out than putting in, treasury tooks money and spent it on missiles, paper clips and pens, now they have to write the check, they owe money to all of social security resiv resip rec. >> if we ranur be the way that washington runs theirusiness there would be a huge problem. tom: they would be in jail. >> or lose a job or out of business. i'm confident this message will be delivered, someone has to tell the public on a consistent basis we cannot sustain this. tom: i got a comment the other day from said -- someo that said, don't you think, this is the problem, this is not an entitlement they say pause we paid into it the come was, don't you think there issu are hundref billions of dollars they could cut first. >> that is the real problem is the budget. tom: talk to me about there is two social security funds, the old age, and survivor's fund, retired people. and there is the disability fund. we added 8 almost
, and deal with the long- term deficit. >> those decisions may not happen until 2013. a smaller deal would be temporary, sending congress back to work on the details next year. >> i am not ok with them waiting six months or year kick to get things done. >> jake sherman of "politico" predicts that we will go over the cliff. >> we will not see the government shut down our people not be able to pull money out of banks are things like that. >> still a tough sell for constituency growing tired of the political back-and-forth. >> let's get some things set in place and up and running. >> 1 line of thinking on the hill -- there are many -- if we do go over the cliff that would reset all of the tax issues suchissues. what we do know, the clock is ticking and the waiting game continues, with the house not even scheduled to be in session until sunday afternoon. live of the capitol, steve chenevey wjla. >> will monitor all the negotiations surrounding the fiscal cliff. coming up at 5:30, a closer look at how the country got in this financial situation in the first place. >> we're learning more tonight
have a $16 trillion deficit right now. we have the deficit because of social security, medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps -- all policies put into effect by the democratic party. everything is socialism. thomas jefferson said it best -- the republic is doomed. people sacrifice -- i'm a libertarian. i am more objective. i'm not a republican or democrats. i have to wonder if i want to live in this country. 29% of americans got some kind of assistance when ronald reagan was president. i have to consider and i'm considering moving to a tropical island and watching america go down the drain. we need to abolish social security, medicare, and medicaid. host: i will stop you there. we appreciate your thoughts. joseph says -- will go back to stay but by the president on the passing of norman schwarzkopf. host: "his legacy will e ndure." back to your calls. caller: good morning. god bless us. [indiscernible] where is the love? .e're at a church when the president and everybody was running. the church was all over the program. we're in the church. do you know what happened? when we f
deficit. >> hello, you're watching "al jazeera" live from doha. here are the top stories now -- crisis in the central african republic. the president calls for international help to fight rebel forces. >> five years after bhutto's assassination. the son makes his debut. >> u.s. lawmakers give thems a last chance to stop the falling off the fiscal cliff. it's no deal has been actually reached. budget cuts and tax hikes will tax place on january the 1st. >> president barack obama returned to washington deeply meyered in another partisan stalemate. but over in the capitol the lower house of congress remains dark to avert the fiscal cliff. it's republican leader will call the session on sunday. the top senate said his branch of congress must take the initiative on a compromise. >> it appears to me the action if there is any is now on the senate and we will have to see if we're able on a bipartisan to move forward. >> but the democrats say there can be no deal without republican concessions on tax increases. >> unless we get a sign-off from the republicans in the house, we can't get anythin
economy two to three, four years. no deal is only shot we have. we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan: they're not. >> andrea: what is the plan. >> juan: put on the table change the cpi and change the rate of growth. >> what table? >> eric: slow the rate of growth is not a cut. >> juan: it is. >> eric: it's not. >> juan: even boehner says it's a cut. the left thinks it's a cut. secondly, the president has -- go up to 400 if you want. so what we are talking about is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep tax cuts. you think republicans would celebrate. >> drinking the kool-aid. >> eric: i agree with you that the republicans are no better in this debate. >> juan: oh, well th
. and really, is not interested in a balanced approach to deficit reduction. it's been pretty clear that that's the story we have been telling and it happens to be the truth. >> i understand that two of colleagues proposed cuts to medicare for a hike in the debt ceiling. what do you make of that offer? >> i think one of the things that people don't realize is that it's a dirty little secret. the republicans don't want to cut the things that americans want cut. and they want to cut things that americans don't want cut. poll after poll shown americans do not want deficit reduction done by cutting medicare and medicare and social security. so they propose and saw the same scenario when paul ryan put the budget out and because the american people rejected the kind of draconian cuts that the republicans want to make so, you know, that's a nonstarter in the senate. i think it's a nonstarter with the president. sure can pass the house but going nowhere past that. >> the smaller offer we hear that the president is making at 3:00, to congressional leadership, what kind of offer would you like to see t
the wealthiest americans, to deal with some of the deficit. your sense of whether president obama and your fellow democrats in the senate and house will stay the course on this or will eventually compromise in a way that many progressives would regret? >> first of all, we have a divided government. president obama's election said one message, the election of republican house of representatives since another. the actually, working at odds here. you have republicans who will not raise taxes for anyone making more than $250,000 a year, and looking at entitlement cuts. yet democrats that say you have any taxes for those who make under $250,000 and no cuts to the low-you had democrats as a you have no taxes for those -- no tax cuts for those making under $250,000. we're going the wrong direction. why have we been talking about stimulating the economy through jobs? we seem to accept a certain amount of unemployment as being necessary for the proper functioning of the economy, so that for corporations and will keep wages low. that is baloney. we are creating our own economic vice that is entrapping tens
, we still have this bigger challenge out there of how are we going to fix the deficit and debt problem in this country? we know we have to make hard choices. we know the parties have to work together, and they've got to get to work on this as quickly as possible. >> maya, with the greatest of respect, it seems to me your logic is all over the place. it's very clear the nub of the discussion, the squealing that we have at the moment is whether or not to extend tax cuts. that is, in effect, saying we are going to balloon the deficit further. this is not a conversation about actually fixing the debt, is it? that's not what we're talking about at the moment. we're squealing over, let's keep the deficit big. you seem to be arguing that that's exactly what we should be doing. >> let me explain, because it is more complicated than often things are discussed in washington. the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, i
why haven't they passed a judgment? they aren't serious about our nation's debts and deficits. we are $16 trillion in debt, we are running out of money yet again, trillion dollars deficits every year for the past four years, and get this, we are also borrowing at this moment 46 cents of every dollar they spend in washington. on top of that social security is going bankrupt, as is medicare, and all obama is fighting for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a leader on this. he's not been serious. he's been acting weak and, of course, clinging to his radical ideology. enough is enough. maybe it's time to have the republicans call the president's bluff. let him take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not goin
hope they never come to a deal because this is the best deficit reduction package the democrats are ever going to get. but let's look at what really is going to happen here. i would be more surprised if they came to a deal in the next five days than i was by the roberts vote on obama care. there's no way these guys are going to come to a deal, and the reason is this. the president has got the upper hand, and his most important partner is the weakest person in this, which is john boehner. john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about politics, we're not talking about finances here. they have to go over the cliff. that strengthens boehner's hands because now everybody is paying a hell of a lot more taxes and people are blaming the republicans, and now boehner can go to the caucus and maybe get 200 and a few votes and then with nancy pelosi pick off a
and a plan for an economic growth and deficit reduction. >> that was president obama talking with four days left in that fiscal cliff deadline saying he's hoping congress will reach a deal on this. if not, he's asking them to bring a package to the floor that will protect middle class mrns. >>> coming up all brand-new at 6:00, american families are now banned from adopting russian children. we'll hear from one local family who calls it a death sentence for thousands of small children. >> before you get to work on your next home repair project, we're warning you about the dangers of trying to do it yourself. now a preview of what's ahead on world news at 6:30. >> the 11th our deal or no -- hour deal or no deal. tonight the track of the storm and where it will hit. >>> the nation is mourning the loss of the man who led allied forces in the gulf war. norman schwarzkopf was credited with winning the war and the public's imagination. >> reporter: in 1990, norman schwarzkopf was a little known general looking ahead to requirement -- retirement. then he led into the face of the u.s. counterattack,
but the debate over the deficit and the debt that is behind this? >> well, if you go back to 2001 and thereafter, the cost of the war was not included in the budget except the military and the defense budget. but the additional costs were not reflected in the budget. there were always supplementals. so they didn't show as a deficit. a vendor ackley to the debt. so while the budgets were reasonable in that period of time, the actual spending didn't show in the budget and people didn't pay as much attention to the debt as they do today because it kept mounting and so we borrowed to pay for the war and in fact we didn't ask people to make sacrifices financially. >> there is a difference between borrowing in the future, paying for work and paying back words, we are having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt the pinch right at that time. we would have asked different questions and were asked, and i think that is one of the reasons we got where we are. and it's where we are. >> on appropriations could you have been any more vocal about it to provide us getting into t
trillion in spending with deficits and increased. it is the economy. lou: it truly is. and i want to also if we may put up the cartoon. we do this very elegantly here. please put up the carto. the envelope. i just wanted to see that. it is great. the corner from the nation of achievement, mainstream america usa to the nation of entitlement . i mean, that s to meet not only with the committee is brilliant. can we put that back up? i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an ssistant on $82 billion of tax increases on the so-called wealthy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine das, almost nine days a lot bring the federal gornment's. more andmore absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, over a trillion dollars for e next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it is nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the bld is not responsible about t
. is this deal, if it's to be reached, will not the so-called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit reduction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts for the defense department and other government programs. it looks like those cuts will go forward. what the president said today is 24 hours from now the senate leaders have to have a plan that deals with incom income taxes at a rate to be determined later, the threshold of that income, and some federal benefit and if they don't reach a deal, he will have his own plan b. >> if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor, and i've asked senator reid to do this, put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for two million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. but let's not miss this deadline. that's bare minimum that we
, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff and let's keep moving on. that doesn't sol
taxation by using a flat tax. that way you can calculate the amount of taxes we need for the deficit over 10 years. another point is to control the spending on entitlements by not giving millionaires social security benefits, thereby satisfying president obama's approach. instead of doing it through taxation, he can do it through the entitlements. guest: those are both ideas that have been raised, especially the social security and medicare benefits for the wealthy and potentially might not need them to live off of. one tricky part of that is wealthier americans have been paying these taxes for decades into social security and medicare if and a lot of folks have a problem with the idea of taking away their benefits they have paid for if just because they happen to be more well off. and issued the first caller raised and something to watch is this could really sort of set the tone for the president's second term. if this thing gets ugly and stays ugly, it's probably going to stay that way at least another year or two, and the next thing you know, he's a lame duck president. if we cut a dea
an agreement that will grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get considerably smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do for our economy it would be bad for middle class families and it would be bad for businesses that depend on family spending. fortunately congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just add good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both h
the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it is the right thing to do for our families, four or businesses and for our entire economy but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get consider bring smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do for our economy. it would be bad for middle class families and it would be bad for businesses that spend, depend on family spending. fortunately congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just had a good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mccon
-class families that are already facing a real financial panic. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president reach a deal. if they don't reach a deal on december 31, which is my prediction, i believe sometime before the end of january, they will reach a deal. but my goodness. one of the things that is frustrating is we have known this day was coming for the last two years. yet here we are, 72 hours away and we don't have a resolution. gregg: this is a contrivance that they are desperately trying to fix. our member the president said in a debate, the debate, he said that i didn't come up with this. then bob woodward came out and said, yes, you did. you know, both
, as well. now, the government has been running huge deficits for a while. >> i still find it fascinating looking at the basis of the actual market. given as you say we're about to enter a recession again. you brought a very, very divided and different government scenario which hopefully will be sorted out. but whether or not the japanese underperformance on the nikkei is going to continue, as well, given the comments we've had about the stimulus will flow into the economy. >> the japanese economy is still or at least the large companies are still very export oriented. if the yen depreciate appreciations, that should improve the chances for japanese companies to gain market share all over the world and that should improve earnings prospect, too, and drive up shares. i see that quite simplistic and there is upside if the yen really tanks. of course, we have to keep the currency movements in mind if you're an international investor, of course, examine japan, of course, has a domestic economy, too, which is likely to remain quite weak. that is the down side, as well. all other things being a
of spending. stuart: look at $1 trillion deficit every year the last four years. >> the budget control act koch $1.5 trillion in spending. stuart: don't you get it? >> over ten year period. [talking over each other] stuart: i insist on this. president obama's plan cuts the deficit, it does not. it restrict future increases in the deficit. it is in the $24 trillion debt in 2015 will only be $20 trillion. [talking over each other] stuart: address the question. [talking over each other] >> let me answer you. we have a fundamental disagreement whether in a situation like this when the economy is of whether the government needs to cut spending. i do not believe it does. you believe it does. we have a fundamental difference how to proceed forward. stuart: what we need more than anything else is to stimulate the private sector and you don't do that with more spending and we need to control long-term entitlement spending. we have to reform entitlement programs. that would fix things. stuart: i agree with you on a ladder but not the former. stuart: where's the president's reform program? >> that pr
and the things we need to get this deficit and debt under control. it's about getting the economy on track and also getting the deficit under control. adam: you are a moderate, highly popular in the state of north dakota, and you have compromised with both sides on these issues, but the vast majority of the public looks at congress, all of you, the house of representatives and the senate looking at you guys with disgust. is that coming across in the halls of the capitol? do the people there understand what the people out here, the 310 million of us consider when we think about the political leadership? >> i think that is absolutely what's pushing the negotiation why we have to stay at it. as i said a minute ago, i'm in the camp where we have to continue to push until we get the job done. i'd like the big deal now. if we don't get the deal, get as much as we can and continue to go after the things we're talking about, the reforms and the savings, that we need. adam: senator, we appreciate you being with us here on fox business. while president obama and the congressional leaders work or app
that we will see a lot. he committed to trying to do something meaningful in the deficit. >> laura: did you you say meaningful in the deficit. wait a second. i have an audio problem. a what? >> i'm sure brad will correct me when comes up. you will see efforts on immigration reform and gun control and the biggest trade deal in the last generation. the pivot to asia and other foreign policy. >> laura: going to do all this by eg executive decision becaue last time i checkle he still had a republican house. >> stop the extraordinary fiscal cliff negotiations and go back to regular order and pass a real budget and provide an alternative. >> laura: the democrats also might take that advice to pass a budget. >> stop the games and go back to committee process and let paul ryan do his job and have the big debate. >> let's go to you brad on this. i say this to my republican friends. though are all upset he will do executive fiat and rule making. elections have consequences the old cliche quicks in and it is clear that the president s aggressive and he will use every means at his dice posal and if
of more economic growth and deficit reduction. guys, i can hear you over here. i believe such proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities, as long as those leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. that is the way this is supposed to work. if can you get a majority in the house, then can you get a majority in the senate, then we should be able to pass a bill. so the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonder yes it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable, why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. the economy's growing but sustaining that trend is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. the housing market is recovering but that could be impacted i
into the situation we are in right now, with the huge debate over the size of the deficit and the debt? >> go back to 2001 and thereafter. the cost of the wars was not included in the budget. they were always supplemental. they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would have asked different questions than were asked. that is one of the reasons we got where we are. >> could you have been any more vocal about appropriations? >> i was vocal. when i got on the appropriations committee, i became chairman of the legislative branch. that is everything, all of the buildings. office buildings, 1700 capitol police forces, and all of their help, support staff. i held
's the longer term federal deficit and then the shorter term impact on the economy. we'll have that first, right? the markets will go down and economic confidence will continue to slide. money will be taken out of the economy. so there's an economic impact right now. why should they deal with this crisis when the bigger crisis they couldn't come together tlen. sorry starbucks. they didn't come together before either. what do you do about deficits? the truth is doing nothing at this point is the best impact they can have on deficits, because taxes will go up, spending will go down. that's the point of this deal. so to come to your point, yeah, i guess they could suddenly hug each other and do had this dance, but the reality is there are a lot of people who think, what we are dealing with is deficits because the budget looks better and we'll deal with the economy some other way. >> doing nothing is what they do best. mike, before we let you go, ed mackey malden running for the united states senate in massachusetts. >> he's never run statewide. do you agree with this? i think scott brown is smiling
% of the population. >> and that he they gave numbers to the cbo that said we were going to cut the deficit. and, in fact, it was a new entitlement that now is going to cost $12 trillion. we're not that far apart on that issue. i've always thought it would cost a lot of money. >> we're going to have your wife call into the show a little later. >> there is a place of frustration there in any twosome, there's a place for someone who doesn't have to be. >> that's true. you're carson. >> can you do that? >> well -- >> you can't do ed mcmahon? >> i'll work on that. who was conan scott? he had a guy, andy richter. >> no, don't do that. you would have to put on a bunch of weight. >> andy was from my hometown in massachusetts. >> was he? >> yeah. >> let's check on the markets. down 47. we came back, closed down just 18 points yesterday. that's the first time in history where someone said that the house coming back in the markets went you up. usually the government comes into session and the markets go down. we're indicated down about 47 points today. oil has been amazingly strong considering that if we
that the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. both democrats and republicans earth tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional supercommittee. but a poison pill was attached. if the supercommittee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as a sequester would go into effect be at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years would expire. so the point is we could have all seen this coming and some of us did. we yelled at the top of our lungs about it but were drowned out by the election. it seems that good governance gets drowned out by continuous elections in america. this time there may be a serious price to pay for it. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff, be will you notice an immediate change to your wallet? we want to get a reality check from stephen moore, a member of the wall st
. that was for a group called the can kicks back. it was to raise awareness about deficit and debt. >> what was awesome about that >> everything. >> roland is right. there was nothing awesome about that. as a matter of fact, roland is right, john. there's nothing right. nothing. >> john's problem is inside, he's a very old man, too. i mean, it proves old people should really -- really old people should never use social media. >> an old man who is in debt and deficits. >> he's going to do the hammer dance? >> alan sem son impson is one o great public servants who will say or do whatever it takes to get people's attention on issues that really matter. skip and this group that sponsored it is the can kicks back. it's not 200 million views. >> i wish we could see al franken dancing in a unitard to fight violence against women. >> make the cut. >> senator franken. >> >> who picked the list? >> we all did it "outfront." >>> up next, a rust belt bright spot in 2013. we're going to take you there, next. [ male announcer ] rocky had no idea why dawn was gone for so long... ...but he'd wait for her forever, for
insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
important to step back and see the fact that we have already -- there are three parts of this deficit reduction stool. we've already in the past two years passed $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. we've passed over $700 billion in savings in medicare through reforms like cutting back on overpayments to insurance companies. the one piece of this puzzle that we've not been able to get any support for is making sure that the wealthiest among us help solve this problem by being willing to pay a little bit more to be part of the solution. so we have sent a bill to the house back in july, bipartisan bill that says what -- everybody says they don't want middle-class families to have their taxes go up, well, fine. why don't we start with something we can agree on, which is that? and just pass that. why doesn't the house just pass that? but as we know, the speaker couldn't even pass his own plan to say that up to a million dollars was exempt from tax cuts. so what they're doing is holding middle-class families hostage right now, trying to find some maneuver where the wealthiest people continue to
, we are still looking at trillion dollar deficits every year. and the reality is that the house has already sent would measures on to the senate. one addressed the continuing bush era tax rates and the other that would erase the military spending. those are in the hands of the senate. they can act on those right now. we can put this thing to rest. we will wait and see what happens in this meeting and hopefully we will come to some kind of agreement to avoid this cliff. >> what do you think the best thing to come out of this meeting? >> i think that speaker boehner and the president walk out and be able to announce they have a team in next three days that will have an outline in which -- alice just mentioned the details will be hammered out in the first would weeks in january. we have that amount of time to stop the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff $700 billion of spending will be taken out of our economy. we have to change the scale of that fiscal cliff to a slight gradual bunny slope. so that our economy won't be zero next year. that is in a recession which will occur i
during graham/rudman and i remember when they couldn't get deficit conversations right, treasuries went down and stocks went down. oh, would i love to get back to that type of reality. >> yeah. but you had a different guy at the federal reserve at the time. >> yeah, a different guy, you know, in hindsight he was maybe the monetizer in charge -- in chief, and we get a little historical perspective on that, but as many things that i disagree with alan greenspan on, i thought he was at least more forthright into what he was doing, and even going after the government per se a bit when there were tax issues, all av d avoided by the current chairman ben bernanke, and even though he avoids the conversation, he doesn't avoid giving congress the biggest fire hose in the world filled with free water. >> i love those kind of fire hoses on every corner, please. >> what's that, david? >> bernanke is the most aggressive fed governor we will ever know in the last 40 or 50 years with the monetary stimulation that began in november 2008. >> well her, needed to be? >> and that's likely to still be the o
insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
would certainly put on the table. those are the kinds of things. deficit and looming debt that we have been concerned about from the beginning that it would take for republicans to vote for then what the democrats are asking for which is some kind of tax increase on some high income level people and the extension of the unemployment insurance. we all want to do amt relief. we all want to do something that will help in cap gains and evidence. i think there are places where we are together and there are the fringes where we have to negotiate. dagen: are they giving a free pass because they are out there buying treasury debt? eventually, allowing you to not do anything. it is standing and ready and buying. >> i disagreed with what this ad is doing. it is one of those numbers things that we never really know what is really happening. we need to deal with overspending and too much debt in this country. that is where we are having the tension between the two parties. dagen: senator hutchinson, it was great to talk with you. thank you. some good news for you homeowners out there. we have had
and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted
circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal shs the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. republicans and democrats deploy tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit raid raiting for the first time in history. in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across-the-board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect starting january 2013. at the exact moment when the bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. the point is we could have all seen this coming. some of us did. we yelled but we were drown out by the election. it seems common sense and good governance get drown out by endless and continuous elections in america. this time there may be a serious price to pay for it. >> keep it here today. at t
the ground work for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> now, that's a little different i. the president is saying he's going to urge the senate majority leader to go in an up or down vote which really rallies the country to call on their senators. and when he referred to unemployment insurance and unemployed people looking for work, the benefits that are set to expire, expire, now, are lifelines for people who work. 2 million people we're talking about. average check they receive is $320 per week. benefits goes to those who have been unemployed more than 6 months. every dollar in unemployment benefit translates to $1.10 in additional economic activity. these people have been out of work. these are people that invested in unemployment insurance, been out of work over 6 months. depend on this $320 a week. it expires unless a deal is made. that's why this is cig nif kant. and the president is saying let's make this happen or call the roll. >> it's time for a reckoning. the reckoning has to occur in a couple of different ways. the president is going to use his bul
then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps we can take in the new year, but let's not miss this deadline. that's the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it shouldn't be that heart since democrats and republicans both say they don't want to see taxes go up on middle-class families. i just have to repeat. outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines, they sit down and they are discuss things, and then things happen. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind-boggling to them. it needs to stop. so i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody will get 100% of what they want, but let's make sure middle-class families and the american economy, in fact the world economy, aren't adversely impacted. thank you very much, everybody. >>> right now at 6:00, president obama just wrapped up a news conference in which he said he is modestly optimistic a deal can be reached to avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> doug is t
available, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year, but let's not miss this deadline. that's the bare minimum we should be able to get done. >>> senate leaders say they hope to reach a compromise that could be presented to lawmakers by sunday, a little more than 24 hours before the deadline. >>> and don't miss "meet the press" on sunday morning. david gregory will interview president obama exclusively just hours before the fiscal cliff deadline. "meet the press" airs at 10:30 on monday morning. >>> police locked up tonight after a brazen crime spree. as jack write benson reports, one of the victims had choice words for those who were arrested. >> reporter: the occupants of this stolen car are -- i'm okay now. i just thank god he didn't hurt me. >> reporter: when sharon gardner first saw this nissan maxima, it was speeding away from the bp gas station with the man who had just stolen her purse in the backseat. >> i was in between vacuuming my car out. i was going from my driver's side to my passengers s
of detail he gave a week ago in a speech is basically derived from the larger deficit proposal offered over, really, the last couple years as president of the united states. we're waiting whether or not in the meeting, lasting an hour at the white house, started at 3:10, is whether or not they made progress towards changing that proposal in a fashion to pass the house of representatives or make it viable for some senate republicans to join with that. the president, the administration officials say they offered the proposal as a way to get republicans to come back with something else, they say. if not, the president wants this plan to be voted on in the house and to be voted on in the senate. this proposal is unlikely, would be making it through the house unless there's progress made off the president's opening offer, a very old offer, then we're in trouble. back to you david: that's why s&p futures went down after the bell, focused on what happens with no progress. that may change. the president is still meeting on both sides. we'll wait and see what happens when they come out if they give
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